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| picollo no. | Jun 9 2010, 08:32 PM Post #21 |
Screw the rules I'm Yuri Lowell
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Not too long then :) Though I see deciding on a final design may be a longer process. |
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| Blaze | Jun 9 2010, 08:39 PM Post #22 |
 
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Will we be keeping the current theme when we change? |
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| - Razberi - | Jun 9 2010, 08:42 PM Post #23 |
 
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That's up to you with Zetaboards, Blaze, but we certainly won't be removing this one. |
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| Blaze | Jun 9 2010, 08:46 PM Post #24 |
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Thats good, cos I do like this theme :D |
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| Takoa | Jun 9 2010, 09:20 PM Post #25 |
Merry
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Will the Nintendo + Games board have most of the current boards under "Video Games" as sub-boards, or will all the topics there be put into the Nintendo board? |
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| - Razberi - | Jun 9 2010, 09:28 PM Post #26 |
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The topics would be moved into the new board Andy, as I think part of making the structure of the forum less complex is trying to do away with sub forums. As you might be able to tell from what i've suggested. Of course if there are any topics in the Nintendo boards now you particularly don't want to lose track of you're welcome to either pin the ones you feel important, or subscribe to them so that you've got a link to 'em. Either way they will remain pinned after they've been moved. |
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| Takoa | Jun 9 2010, 09:31 PM Post #27 |
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That's a good idea. Simplicity could make it better. Nah, I was just curious. I don't mind either way, and any important topics would Edited by Takoa, Jun 9 2010, 09:33 PM.
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| - Razberi - | Jun 9 2010, 09:36 PM Post #28 |
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Someone (Jordan, Cieran, other arty people) will have to also think of less Nintendo only orientated forum images. What would make better replacements for the DS lites we have now? Even they're outdated, they should have a camera! |
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| PJI | Jun 9 2010, 09:49 PM Post #29 |
Wolfos
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The only reason I'm arguing against the Retro Technology board is mainly because it doesn't attract a wide enough audience, which is our main concern as our aim is to advertise to a majority, not a minority. As much as I love emulating retro games, it's something that we'll have to let go and leave that type of discussion under the Other Technology board. |
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| - Razberi - | Jun 9 2010, 09:57 PM Post #30 |
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Deal, so, so far: Section 1: The Forum (suggest name here?) - Announcements (Read only) - Polls Board - Public Staff Opinions and General Complaints Section 2: Technology - Microsoft + Games - Nintendo + Games - Sony + Games - Other Technology (suggest your own more main boards here, what would you like to see? Computing? Mobiles? Apple board? GO WILD - Online Gaming Section 3: Community Forums - General Board (Could be removed if no-one can argue a good USE for it) (announcement discussion?) - Super Happy Fun Board - Off Topic - News + Opinions - Roleplays + Fanfics - Reviews (EXPANDED!) [with more sub forums] - Graveyard [Staff Only Graveyard] as subforum Section 4: Staff Only. This is 16 boards viewable by members as opposed to the current 20. I think we're doing a very good job to include a wider range of aspects in a smaller amount of space. This is good. :] Edited by Razberi, Jun 9 2010, 10:01 PM.
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| picollo no. | Jun 9 2010, 10:35 PM Post #31 |
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Screw the rules I'm Yuri Lowell
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That is looking good Raz, but as I said earlier I think there should be a board for arty stuff like fan art, because quite a lot of people like doing that :| Even if it were just a sub-forum for Roleplays and Fanfics. But overall I think that is looking good. Will things like the Mario and Zelda boards all be moved as sub-forums to the Nintendo section? |
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| Col | Jun 9 2010, 11:06 PM Post #32 |
Not Poodle
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What really annoyed me about the Hyrule Scrolls and made me threaten to leave a fair while back is also bugging me here. If you don't mind me going straight to the point: the admins have a superiority complex. Not so much in the sense that you're taking advantage of your powers, but more in the case that you're overdoing it with the rules, just like what happened at HS. Yes, younger people can and will use the forum. InvisionFree's terms of service disallow any user below 13 from joining, but we all know that means nothing. A swear filter is essential, but in terms of behaviour control you need to relax a bit. The swear filter will deal with most swearing and yes flaming and offensive content needs to be dealt with my an admin or mod, but I think in terms of making it "family friendly" you go over the top, just like the staff did at HS before i was made co-admin. Here are some example threads on a forum ran by a real company who has a reputation to uphold and young users to protect. Note that some of these topics have been started by the staff members: http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=13010 http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=13922 http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21933 http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21591 http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21921 Talking about Ebay and Amazon on that forum isn't allowed because they're considered to be competitors, but that last link clearly refers to Ebay. Despite this, if a competitor is mentioned, we're not allowed to flame them or take the mick, like in the second link from the bottom. So I think some of the rules here need to be relaxed. Why is the current Polls board structured the way it is? Why do the polls have to be numbered and why such strict rules on them? And why are the polls then ignored anyway once they're finished? And the "no multiple posting in a row" rule has to go, unless Zeta has a feature which combines adjacent posts in the same thread by the same person. It's stupid - you just don't see that anywhere else. Ditto for the rule that says smilies and single-word posts are not allowed. And if we're going to change the format and content of the forum then we need a new skin. This one doesn't really suit Zeta, and even if we were still on InvisionFree and still limiting ourselves to Nintendo, this forum really needs a change in decor. As for the list of forums, here's what I propose: Section 3: The Forum (suggest name here) - Announcements (not read only, otherwise a new topic has to be started in order to discuss something that's been announced) - Feedback/suggestions/complaints - Polls board: anything which needs a diplomatic vote and concerns all members goes here, like the current one. Section 1: Technology and gaming - Gaming --> Xbox 360 --> PC and Mac --> PS3 and PSP --> Wii and DS --> Retro - Photography - Computing - Other (for now, until more topics are made when it'll need to be split into other sections like Motors, Gadgets, Electronics, etc.) Section 2: Community Forums - General Board (Merge Off Topic and SHF board into here.) - News and current affairs - Arts + Entertainment (includes TV, theatre, music, movies...) - Roleplays, fanfics, stories, creative arts (basically, anything you've made that you want to show off, even if it's a written work) - Reviews (EXPANDED!) [with more sub forums] - Graveyard [Staff Only Graveyard] as subforum Section 4: Staff Only. Edited by Col, Jun 10 2010, 08:19 AM.
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| Cieran | Jun 9 2010, 11:30 PM Post #33 |
Celebrate with cake!
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The poll structure is regimented as it is simply for ease of use and documenting. So we can easily go back and find stuff without having to trawl through endless pages of uselessness. So, if you feel hard-done by, you can refer to a direct topic rather than "I'm sure I saw it around here somewhere!" The multiple posts and single word post rules are in order to prevent posts without any quality. We want people to be making quality posts, not just "Lol yeah :p ". I'd hardly say we went over the top on family friendliness. If we did we would disallow ANY swears or even any hinted swears. The current system of just staring it out is fine IMO, not too rude and not too soft. It's better than converting it all to "flump" and "crab". Suggestiong re gaming are interesting. But I think it sort of marginalises the handheld games a bit, I mean, they're important too. Certainly with the 3DS coming out. Anyway, that was horribly ordered by me :p ... |
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| sqeak | Jun 10 2010, 07:14 AM Post #34 |
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Agree with Cieran on the poll structure thing, back in the day people didn't number them all the time anyway, and the mods put them in, someone can just make a topic in there, the mods will sort it out. |
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| Col | Jun 10 2010, 08:38 AM Post #35 |
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Oh I forgot about the handheld consoles. ZD I have changed the list to include them. See what I'm trying to do here with the forum list structure? With the forums which aren't so popular I'm simply merging them into related forums. Once the less popular forum content becomes more talked about, then it can have its own forum. The way it is at the moment, you get very popular forums like General Gaming and Off Topic, and rarely used forums like Online Gaming, but Online Gaming is pretty much a feature of all modern consoles and it's safe to assume that if a discussion is going to be started about a particular game or console, then the online part of it will be part of the discussion anyway, so you may as well merge those forums. It's been said before that it can be daunting for new users to arrive and see so many forums, even before they see how empty some of them are. So if some are merged it tidies up the homepage a bit and makes the forum look more active. Maybe the polls board can stay, but I think if you're going to have such a list of polls then at least act upon their results! And I suppose you won't reconsider the "no topic evolution" rule? |
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| Cieran | Jun 10 2010, 10:04 AM Post #36 |
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Celebrate with cake!
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If you want to put it to vote, that's why there's a poll system :p . We're a constitutional monarchy, not a dictatorship ;) ... |
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| - Razberi - | Jun 10 2010, 10:24 AM Post #37 |
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And that ^ is why we're discussing it rather than doing and hoping you like, Col. And thanks for making the time and effort to post that much. The question we need to ask is if everyone wants simplified or if they like your structure of section 1 with more sub boards. Personally as an oursider seeing such a structure of sub boards on the main index would seem daunting to me, that's why my boards are more general, people know they can post stuff there and its in the right place. As for you arguing the rules and structure of certain things this forum has and always will have (poll, Super happy fun board) these things won't be moving too far or changing much at all because it is what makes this forum different and probably why you notice it in the first place, because scrolls doesn't have it. Furthermore the super happy fun board for the last year has kept this forum alive, I don't think it is fair to then move it around. Or risk it for that matter. Also our word filters are fine. Maybe its just because you've been co-admin with Jack, someone with a...odd sense of humour? Flump... What do you think as for structure, Cieran? Edited by Razberi, Jun 10 2010, 10:25 AM.
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| Cieran | Jun 10 2010, 12:51 PM Post #38 |
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Celebrate with cake!
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I think your current proposal looks pretty nice. Most forums do have community forums below "specific" forums so it does make sense really. If it's not working out we can always change it. I'd recommend changing "Other Technology" to "General Tech" as it makes it seem like less of an afterthought... |
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| - Razberi - | Jun 10 2010, 01:10 PM Post #39 |
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And could that result in the removal of the general board? Because with the new layout it makes it seem like general and off topic could be the same thing. I dunno.. I think the general board was just a piece of the old NoE, wasn't it? |
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| Col | Jun 10 2010, 02:03 PM Post #40 |
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Not Poodle
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Section 1 is not really much different to how you set it out in the original post. I just figured there's no point in an extra Online Gaming and General Gaming board when you can put all the gaming categories into one section, where that section can also be used as General Gaming. The gaming categories basically focus on that developer's current consoles, as everything else can pretty much go in General or Retro. I'm not sure if Zeta shows the sub-forums as nested on the main index page or if you only see them once you go into the parent forum. If they appear on the main forum index as nested forums, then yes, it may seem daunting to new members. But if they only appear within the parent forum above the parent forum's posts, then it'll be cleaner and less daunting. Your suggestion being more general is exactly the same as mine, just laid out differently. Yours suggests that everything related to a particular developer goes in its own forum. Mine suggests that only the current ones which people are interested in go into their own forum, and older stuff from any developer goes into Retro. Jack got the idea of substituting swears for words from me, but personally I wouldn't have chosen the words that he has. The reason I thought it'd be better to substitute words like that rather than starring it out was because there have been times when starred out swears, even when they appear as part of an acceptable word, can leave you wondering what was actually said there, and if you can't figure it out, then the post doesn't make sense. Personally I would replace the swears with words which sound more similar to the swear but are not the actual swear, so it still sounds fairly similar to what you'd expect. "Oh for fudge cake." If you don't want to restrict the forum to particular interests such as gaming and technology, then a General Discussion board is pretty important. Removing the General Discussion/General Chat board would remove the possibility of any topics which don't fit into any other forum. |
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